Fra Xiandos Info
Return-Path: <email@example.com> Received: from mail.wikimedia.org ([188.8.131.52] verified) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 26215314 for firstname.lastname@example.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:35:12 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (srv127.pmtpa.wmnet [10.0.2.127]) by mail.wikimedia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926B21BF36D for <email@example.com>; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (srv127 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l1EHZAZJ018160 for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:35:10 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id l1EHZAqa018158; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:35:10 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:35:10 GMT Message-Id: <200702141735.l1EHZAqa018158@localhost.localdomain> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: apache set sender to email@example.com using -f To: Meco <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Wikipedia e-post, trolling rundt "lommemannen" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MediaWiki mailer From: Jeblad <email@example.com>
Brukersiden og diskusjonssiden er beskyttet etter at det gjentatte ganger er gjort forsÃ¸k pÃ¥ Ã¥ bruke Marcus noe ubetenksomme spÃ¸rsmÃ¥l med en kobling av deg og den sÃ¥kaldte lommemannen. Alle forsÃ¸k pÃ¥ slike koblinger vil bli tilbakestilt og brukere vil bli blokkert. John
From: "magiske prosesser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Re: Wikipedia e-post, trolling rundt "lommemannen" To: Jeblad <email@example.com> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:38:33 +0100 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> In-Reply-To: <200702141735.l1EHZAqa018158@localhost.localdomain> References: <200702141735.l1EHZAqa018158@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hei John Erling, jeg har selv ingenting imot at slike ytringer fÃ¥r komme fram. I det samfunnet vi lever er det i grunnen ikke sÃ¥ veldig rart at en del vil gjÃ¸re en slik kobling. Vennlig hilsen, Halvor On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:35:10 GMT Jeblad <email@example.com> wrote: > Brukersiden og diskusjonssiden er beskyttet etter at det >gjentatte ganger er gjort forsÃ¸k pÃ¥ Ã¥ bruke Marcus noe >ubetenksomme spÃ¸rsmÃ¥l med en kobling av deg og den >sÃ¥kaldte lommemannen. Alle forsÃ¸k pÃ¥ slike koblinger vil >bli tilbakestilt og brukere vil bli blokkert. > John -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability Return-Path: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Received: from mail.wikimedia.org ([184.108.40.206] verified) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 26423323 for email@example.com; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:45:18 +0100 Received: from srv18 (srv18.pmtpa.wmnet [10.0.2.18]) by mail.wikimedia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EEC1C0C05 for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from srv18.pmtpa.wmnet (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by srv18 (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GDjFgs022346 for <email@example.com>; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:45:15 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by srv18.pmtpa.wmnet (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l1GDjEte022345; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:45:14 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:45:14 GMT Message-Id: <200702161345.l1GDjEte022345@srv18.pmtpa.wmnet> X-Authentication-Warning: srv18.pmtpa.wmnet: apache set sender to firstname.lastname@example.org using -f To: Meco <email@example.com> Subject: Wikipedia e-post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MediaWiki mailer From: Jeblad <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I forhold til slike koblinger så vil omtale av deg eller andre håndteres mest mulig likt. Jeg antar du ser problemene ved forskjellsbehandling, og ikke minst hva dette kan skape av presedens for fremtidige saker. Du vil derfor håndteres på lik linje med Stoltenberg eller hvilken som helst annen person. John
Return-Path: <email@example.com> Received: from mail.wikimedia.org ([220.127.116.11] verified) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 26428466 for firstname.lastname@example.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:04:43 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (srv135.pmtpa.wmnet [10.0.2.135]) by mail.wikimedia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC901BEF90 for <email@example.com>; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (srv135 [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l1GF4eS3018221 for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:04:40 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id l1GF4e1W018216; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:04:40 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:04:40 GMT Message-Id: <200702161504.l1GF4e1W018216@localhost.localdomain> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: apache set sender to email@example.com using -f To: Meco <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Wikipedia e-post, mail til meco om treffene MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MediaWiki mailer From: Jeblad <email@example.com>
Vi har kommet i en noe vanskelig situasjon da det er blitt et uttalt ønske at enkelte ikke vil bli identifisert overfor brukere på Xiandos site. Dette gjør at de ikke vil komme på treff eller andre møter hvor brukere fra Xiandos site kan identifisere dem. Det er også enkelte som ønsker å holde avstand på grunn av hva meco har skrevet på siten til Xiando, eller foresatte har gitt uttrykk for slikt. Det er også noen som har gitt uttrykk for at de finner meco vanskelig å omgås. Uansett hvordan vi snur og vender på dette så blir en eller annen part skadelidende.
Treffstedet er i utgangspunktet et lukket bransjested så hvis vi sier en person er blokkert fra Wikipedia så kommer ikke personen inn på stedet. Brukere på Wikipedia har fått en generell invitt til å bruke stedet for treff på bakgrunn av at undertegnede og en annen har blitt stamgjester ved stedet. For å gjøre det helt klart, stedet er ikke generelt åpent for publikum men er et lukket bransjested for mediafolk og politikere.
Jeg mener at treffene er et kontaktforum for brukere av Wikipedia og folk kommer utfra egen fri vilje. Hvis noen blokkerer en større eller mindre gruppe fra å komme ved sitt blotte nervær så er det de som velger å holde seg borte som har gjort valget. I tilfellet meco så er imidlertid brukeren blokkert for en periode og den generelle invitten til stedet gjelder derfor ikke.
For å unngå en ytterligere konflikt så håper jeg at meco avstår fra å komme på treffene under tiden til blokkeringen, og så får de som ikke ønsker å bli identifisert av brukere ved siten til Xiando, eller som ønsker å unngå kontakt av andre grunner bruke tiden til å vurdere om de synes deres grunner er viktig nok for dem, eller om de likevel velger å fortsette å gå på treffene når blokkeringstiden til meco er utløpt.
Det er bare å beklage det inntrufne ovenfor meco, og også ovenfor de brukerne som måtte ønske en klarere linje ovenfor hvem som kan og ikke kan komme på treffene. Brukere som ønsker en annen løsning er fri til å ta et initiativ for å finne andre treffsted, eventuelt bruke Kristiania, men så lenge jeg står som ansvarlig ovenfor dette spesifikke bransjestedet og det er min goodwill ovenfor stedet som er at risk, så velger jeg å kjøre en såpass strikt men likevel åpen linje på disse treffene.
Denne mailen går i kopi til rundt regnet halvparten av administratorene og til meco.
John Erling Blad
[rediger] Jens Pettersen
From: "magiske prosesser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Brev til min kontakt To: email@example.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:17:46 +0100 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dette er til Petter. Oslo, 1. nov. 2006 Vedrørende botilbudet i Heimdalsgata 25 -- Jeg har nå lest det informasjonsskrivet jeg fikk av deg på mandag, og jeg ser visse muligheter for at jeg kan benytte meg av tilbudet. I andre seksjon - «Målgruppe:» - beskrives tilbudet som rusfritt. Med mitt åpne og dynamiske forhold til psykoaktive stoffer er muligheten min nok avhengig av hva Frelsesarmeen er villige til å legge i den tredje setningen i dette avsnittet: «Søknader fra andre vanskeligstilte på boligmarkedet med behov for oppfølging kan også vurderes, det ønskes en differensiert sammensetning av beboere.» Jeg ser på meg selv som en potensiell ressurs og vil utvilsomt bidra til å differensiere beboergruppen, men muligheten min for å bli godtatt som kvalifisert søker henger nok særlig sammen med hvordan Frelsesarmeen er i stand til å ta inn over seg mine perspektiver på slike stoffer. Her vil nok også en rapport herfra være fasiliterende selv om det bør tas høyde for at erfaringene fra Fredensborg bosenter ikke nødvendigvis beskriver mine forhold på et senere tidspunkt et annet sted. Den neste seksjonen, «Mål/innhold:» sier at målsettingen er at beboerne etter oppholdet skal være selvhjulpne. Dette er for meg et vanskelig punkt, da jeg naturligvis ikke har som målsetting å bli selvhjulpen i tradisjonell betydning, men igjen, dersom en fruktbar dialog lar seg etablere regner jeg med at det vil være mulig å oppnå en felles forståelse som ikke bryter med ånden og tanken i dette punktet. I samme seksjon informeres det om at oppfølgingsarbeidet er omfattende og at det skjer gjennom råd og veiledning. Jeg tror det vil være avgjørende viktig for at jeg skal kunne benytte meg av dette tilbudet, at en tett og dynamisk dialog etableres for å klarlegge de underliggende årsaker til at problemer eventuelt kunne oppstå. Jeg vil derfor foreslå at vi begynner med ukentlige samtaler og allerede etter to uker vurderer om disse møtene bør opptrappes eller nedtrappes (eller holdes på samme nivå). Fordi jeg vet at jeg har en del førende prinsipper for mitt virke som hverken deles eller er kjent av mange i samfunnet vi lever i, tror jeg det er viktig at praktiske problemer identifiseres på et tidlig stadium før disse rekker å etablere seg som konflikter. Og jeg mener det ikke er realistisk å forespeile disse på forhånd men at de må håndteres etter hvert som de blir identifisert. Vennlig hilsen Halvor -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability
[rediger] Tron Øgrim
From: "magiske prosesser" <email@example.com> Subject: Artikkelen om deg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?p=E5?= nynorsk Wikipedia To: firstname.lastname@example.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:11:17 +0100 Message-ID: <email@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hei Tron, jeg får gjort lite på bokmåls-Wikipedia etter at utkastelsen av meg i februar, men det har ikke hindret meg i å skrive litt på artikkelen om deg på nynorsk Wikipedia. Jeg har tatt utgangspunkt i artikkelen av Odd Arvid Storsveeen i Norsk Biografisk Leksikon (2005) og i ymse Øgrim-relaterte artikler på bokmåls-Wikipedia. Jeg er litt usikker på din relasjon til Borgersrud-rapperne. Jeg skrev i artikkelen at du er onkel til disse, men siden jeg ikke har klart å finne ut av om deres T.I. Øgrim-slektskap går gjennom faren din eller om Kristian Øgrim er bestefaren deres, så er kanskje dette en uriktig opplysning. Det er fint hvis du gir meg beskjed om retting behøves, eller om du selv går inn og foretar en eventuell retting. Jeg tenkte å skrive litt mer også utfra samme NBL-artikkel senere (og annen interessant litteratur jeg måtte komme over, jeg leser bl.a. "Det lange friminuttet" for tida). Vekst og kjærlighet! Halvor -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: meco1234
[rediger] Norsk (bokmåls) Wikipedia OTRS
From: "magiske prosesser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: klage To: email@example.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:43:06 +0100 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeg krever at Vibekes forføyninger på min brukerdisuksjonsside blir opphevet og at status for denne siden forblir som den har vært i overensstemmelse med retningslinjer som tidligere er gjengitt blant annet på samme side. Svar kan om ønskelig stiles til min diskusjonsside på meta. Med hilsen, Halvor -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: meco1234 Return-Path: <email@example.com> Received: from mchenry.wikimedia.org ([18.104.22.168] verified) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 55431616 for firstname.lastname@example.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:20:28 +0200 Received: from bart.wikimedia.org ([22.214.171.124]:52175 helo=ticket.wikimedia.org) by mchenry.wikimedia.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <email@example.com>) id 1I2is7-0001uj-T2 for firstname.lastname@example.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:20:27 +0000 Received: by ticket.wikimedia.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 2416A21C3F4; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007062410007541] klage X-Powered-BY: OTRS - Open Ticket Request System (http://otrs.org/) X-Mailer: OTRS Mail Service (2.1.3) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:20:19 +0000 Message-Id: <email@example.com> To: "magiske prosesser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organization: Wikimedia From: Wikipedia Info Team <email@example.com> Hei, magiske prosesser, og takk for din e-post. Hvilke retningslinjer er det du refererer til? Med vennlig hilsen, Hans-Petter Fjeld -- Wikipedia - http://no.wikipedia.org -- NB: Alle e-post til denne adressa besvares av frivillige, og svar anses ikke som offisielle uttalelser fra Wikimedia Foundation. For offisiell korrespondanse kan du kontakte sideoperatørene på <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>. From: "magiske prosesser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007062410007541] klage To: Wikipedia Info Team <email@example.com> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:05:52 +0100 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> In-Reply-To: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hei Hans Petter, jeg vet ikke hvor eller om disse er nedfelt, men dersom du gjør et tekstsøk på min diskusjonsside på "egen diskusjons" så ser du hva jeg sikter til. Dette har blitt gjentatt en rekke ganger uten at noen har antydet at det ikke skulle være korrekt, og har naturlig nok vært grunnlaget for at jeg har kunnet svare det jeg har gjort på diskusjonssiden etter at jeg ble utestengt fra prosjektet i begynnelsen av februar. Helt bortsett fra dette er det direkte ufint å gjøre slik Vibeke har valgt uten å gi noen kommentar eller begrunnelse. Det annonserer forakt, og det er en følelse man har lov til å ha, men som ingen i utøvelsen av et tillitsverv bør synke til å eksponere. Ikke fordi det gir et dårlig inntrykk av personen som gjør det, men fordi det reflekterer negativt på den organisasjon man representerer. Halvor -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: meco1234 On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:20:19 +0000 Wikipedia Info Team <email@example.com> wrote: Hei, magiske prosesser, og takk for din e-post. Hvilke retningslinjer er det du refererer til? Med vennlig hilsen, Hans-Petter Fjeld -- Wikipedia - http://no.wikipedia.org -- NB: Alle e-post til denne adressa besvares av frivillige, og svar anses ikke som offisielle uttalelser fra Wikimedia Foundation. For offisiell korrespondanse kan du kontakte sideoperatørene på <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>. Return-Path: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Received: from mchenry.wikimedia.org ([126.96.36.199] verified) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 56120729 for email@example.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:18:15 +0200 Received: from bart.wikimedia.org ([188.8.131.52]:60125 helo=ticket.wikimedia.org) by mchenry.wikimedia.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <firstname.lastname@example.org>) id 1I3VXK-0000TR-D9 for email@example.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:14 +0000 Received: by ticket.wikimedia.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8DD4721C3F4; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007062410007541] klage X-Powered-BY: OTRS - Open Ticket Request System (http://otrs.org/) X-Mailer: OTRS Mail Service (2.1.3) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:05 +0000 Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "magiske prosesser" <email@example.com> Organization: Wikimedia From: Wikipedia Info Team <firstname.lastname@example.org> Hei, meco. (Saksspørsmål: kan en blokkert bruker redigere sin egen brukerside eller ikke. --Svart 13. feb 2007 kl. 16:51 (CET)) står det å lese på brukerdiskusjonssiden på wp:no, og Jeblads svarer her at dette var en funskjon man hadde tidligere, men som nå er blitt tatt bort. Det ble aldri skikkelig annonsert at denne funskjonen ble tatt bort, så mange har feilaktig hevdet at denne funksjonen fortsatt eksistrerer. Vennligst ikke del passord til wikimedias prosjekter med andre, dette vil kunne ansees som grunnlag til blokkering på de aller fleste prosjekter. Med vennlig hilsen, Hans-Petter Fjeld -- Wikipedia - http://no.wikipedia.org -- NB: Alle e-post til denne adressa besvares av frivillige, og svar anses ikke som offisielle uttalelser fra Wikimedia Foundation. For offisiell korrespondanse kan du kontakte sideoperatørene på <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> From: "magiske prosesser" <email@example.com> Subject: Re: [Ticket#2007062410007541] klage To: Wikipedia Info Team <firstname.lastname@example.org> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:36:12 +0100 Message-ID: <email@example.com> In-Reply-To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:05 +0000 Wikipedia Info Team <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: Hei, meco. (Saksspørsmål: kan en blokkert bruker redigere sin egen brukerside eller ikke. --Svart 13. feb 2007 kl. 16:51 (CET)) står det å lese på brukerdiskusjonssiden på wp:no, og Jeblads svarer her at dette var en funskjon man hadde tidligere, men som nå er blitt tatt bort. Det ble aldri skikkelig annonsert at denne funskjonen ble tatt bort, så mange har feilaktig hevdet at denne funksjonen fortsatt eksistrerer. Vennligst ikke del passord til wikimedias prosjekter med andre, dette vil kunne ansees som grunnlag til blokkering på de aller fleste prosjekter. Med vennlig hilsen, Hans-Petter Fjeld Hei Hans-Petter, det du svarer over bygger på en ufullstendig gjengivelse av hva som kom fram på min diskusjonsside i kjølvannet av Svart sitt spørsmål. Det går der fram at det trolig var en _teknisk_ endring som medførte at blokkerte brukere ikke lenger kunne skrive på sin brukerside, _men_ at dette ikke skulle være til hinder for at de skulle kunne skrive fra en IP-adresse og tilkjennegi sin identitet uten å risikere forføyninger. Dette har jeg forholdt meg til. Stengning av brukersiden for alle redigeringer er det ikke gitt noen signaler om at skal være akseptabelt. Når det gjelder tilgjengeligheten av mitt passord vil det trolig være opplysende å lese seksjonen «I practice "open password"» på brukersiden min på Meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Meco. Som det står der mottar jeg gjerne tilbakemeldinger på det jeg har skrevet. Dersom du eller andre i OTRS-gruppen har interesse av å kommentere det så er det også velkommen. Vennlig hilsen, Halvor -- email to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: <fjernet i denne melding>–
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Subject: LEO LYON ZAGAMI FROM SAN GIOVANNI IN LATERANO (ROME)
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sitting in the middle of Rome with a nice italian
latte macchiato ( milk with touch of coffee) at the
local bar in San Giovanni in Laterano in front of the
splendid Basilica in the center of Rome were
Christianity as we know it was born , Im enjoying the
view in a truly beautifull day full of sunshine and
hope for my future. The norwegian police sent me a
official list of my confiscated goods yesterday , and
obviosuly there was a few things of great importance
missing wich I talked about in my previous mail but
finaly after putting the norwegian police under
pressure in the last 24 hours they have found the
missing objects, the mobile phone and my computer
case with all my phone diary's and that's what my
lawyer told me at 5pm today after many conversations
with the norwegian police that tried to get these
things to disapear obviously to protect the Gulen
Movement and their corrupt masonic institutions . We
dont know if these things will ever return to me and
in what conditions (probably alot of material will be
obviously erased by then ) but my two computers , two
mobile phones and all the rest as now been sent to a
norwegian court for a possible case against me , what
kind of case we dont know yet but that means that
every single picture or video they erase will
apparentely be done officialy only if the court
permits it ( at least that's their official line) .
We still dont know what kind of accusations they are
moving against me dear Halvor apart from the insane
ramblings of my manipulated wife unfortunately in
the hands of a fundamentalist muslim cleric and a evil
illuminati sect of the muslim world. And the norwegian
police and court authorities still have not told us
why they are keeping all my stuff for a possible
court case, what's their reasons for keeping all my
working tools ??!! Well we know that :) but these
NWO norwegian fanatics and corrupt Freemasons of your
country seem to enjoy very much their dirty job at
protecting evil muslim fanatics and their
fundamentalist ways. They obviously knew after my
conversation yesterday with my lawyer Arne Berdal
that any attempt of this kind to make my things
disapear will start a massive investigation from the
official media into this dirty affair and after
realizing I had enough evidence against them already
they ended up finding the lost stuff , this is it's
quite obvious also for my lawyer who is usualy skeptic
and very pragmatic about it but realizes now what kind
of power these people have in twisting the norwegian
laws to always benefit their side. But the norwegian
police doesnt like scandals and I actualy started to
contact the big media outlets in Norway yesterday
dear Halvor about what's happening and Im ready to go
to them if this insanity against me continues. My
mother Jessica Lyon Zagami in the meantime will go to
Norway in two weeks to press charges with the
Norwegian police against Fatma Suslu and her family
for the kidnapping of her grandson Isak Rumi Zagami
as we dont have any news of him since the 23rd of
Febraury 2008 and my family , that's my mother
Jessica my father the famous Jung psicoanalist Elio
Zagami and my brother Sebastiano Zagami ( a lawyer)
fully support me in this battle to prove my innocence
and get to see my son again . I's with great pain and
suffering in my heart that I write you these words
dear Halvor as today is one month and five days since
I last saw my son but now we are ready to move legaly
against them and prove to the norwegian goverment that
this is a real kidnapping by turkish mafiosi with the
support of your Police State not a joke. My mother is
a very respected aristocratic lady in Europe directely
linked as you know to the British Royal family and
ready to act in my defence in Norway after these
people have used their most evil strategy to end up my
marriage and take my son from me trying to ruin my
reputation of good and honest family man.
I want to also tell all muslims out there dear Halvor
who keep on sending me e-mails of various kinds to
convince me not to leave the islamic faith that I
still believe and always will believe in one God ,
that's it the God that unite us all despite of our so
called religious differences . Unfortunately I can't
respect their Holy Book anylonger as it states very
clearly that I should respect and pray for the family
of the Prophet every day and that's no longer
possible for me as you can immagine , I can only pray
for my son Isak Rumi Zagami who as a descendant of
Prophet Muhammed will have the duty and the spiritual
authority to repair in the future the big damage
their faith as done to me and the rest of humanity
with their present state of corruption and their
fundamentalist believes that have nothing with the
great message of peace and tollerance of Sufi mystic
poet Rumi. The NWO puppets know very well that if my
mother comes into the picture the situation will be
very different as she is still considered by the
western illuminati as a very respectable and important
lady so if Im no longer respected in your country at
least they should respect a woman that is even related
to your King! We will bring this matter to the highest
level of the present hierarchy if needed dear Halvor
, in the last few days I received hundreds of e-mails
of support and also some very interesting phone calls
from various members of the western illuminati still
close to me regarding my case, I even received with
great pleasure a call from the illustrius Brother
aristocratic French Freemason and Rosicrucian of the
Priory of Sion Jean-Pierre Giudicelli de Cressac
Bachelerie who I actualy criticized in the past as a
member of the Monte Carlo Lodge and other groups
connected but Im now happy to say he is no longer
involved with them at any level , Jean Pierre as also
become so to speak an ex-illuminati and ex
freemason as he doesnt believe in their mission and
their initiatic schools any longer for the advancement
Jean-Pierre called me from France the first day I
arrived in Italy after he heard of what happened to me
in Norway and I must admit he truly showed some me
some real brotherly love, as it states in the masonic
tradition that you should always call a Brother in
need and that's what happened to me with Jean-Pierre
Giudicelli de Cressac Bachelerie a true noblemen and a
real alchemist who as just published in France the
LA ROSE ROUGE ET LA CROIX D'OR
alchimie-hermetisme et ordres initiatiques.
Editions Le Mercure Dauphinois
I advice you to get a copy as it describes very well
the inner secret workings of the western illuminati
tradition and not only that so it's a must for any
serious researcher in the topic of the illuminati and
their mistery schoools.
Another dear Brother close to me from Kirby Lodge
2818 of the United Grand Lodge of England contacted
me after the latest events and gave me is much
appreciated Brotherly support but he also warned me
that I was considered at the moment one of the most
dangerous Brothers in the world....welll that's a
little bit to much my dear Brother at Great Queeen
Street but I can live with it and I can even consider
it a compliment from a fellow mason...hi..hi...
But most important on the 5th of March 2008 after I
came out of my sad prison ordeal I was called
immediately by Roman aristocrat Prince Lolli Ghetti di
Ferentino a dear friend of mine who was also a close
friend of Bishop Marcinkus and a close friend to the
Pope , Prince Lolli Ghetti said to me that the
Catholic Church will immediately give me the
protection and help I needed against the muslims if
I personaly asked for forgiveness to the Pope about
all my sins against the Catholic Church and he told
me that for an aristocrat of my level it was natural
to join the Catholic Church establishment again , well
I didnt want to offend the Prince but I obviously
refused such an offer from what I still consider to be
my main enemy. The Prince said the first thing I
should do was to go to the Benedictians monks n Oslo
...well that's not what I need right now a forced
reconciliation with the Vatican who as always been
there trying to manipulate my life is definetely
something I dont want!
Gonna go for a nice meal now in my local osteria in
San Giovanni in this beatifull city of Rome were the
enemy at least respects me for my position and wil
never dear to do what they have done in Oslo in the
Satanic Kingdom of Norway , and were the local
intelligence and the italian police actualy protects
me from my new enemy : muslim fundamentalism
manipulated and controled by the NWO illuminati.
So now I have as my enemies:
and other I dont even bother to mention ...
so what more can I ask ?
Well Im going to the USA on the 20th of April were I
hope I will get some proper protection from the
Patriots down there but let's see if they let me in
Leo Lyon Zagami
ex Khaled Saifullah Khan
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From: leo young <email@example.com> Subject: The Sicilian Challenge Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:49:53 +0100 (BST) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Note: forwarded message attached. The question is dear Halvor does the USA and the guys at Langley still respect a Sicilian more then they respect a Turk ? Will they betray the deal with us after what we did for them operation GLADIO included.... I dont think so and the Turks can start praying for their Master Fethullah as Im not gonna change idea untill I meet wit him directely and I want his apology in front of witnesses , HE WILL HAVE TO SAY SORRY AND ASK FOR FORGIVENES IF NOT..."o fetuso e un uomo motto" like we say in Sicily. The Fethullah Gulen Movement as disrespectected me and my family , they need a Sicilian lesson and regarding my move to the USA if there is any problems I will go to Russia NO PROBLEM as you will see in the attachment.. Fraternaly yours, Leo ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ From: leo young <email@example.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: 20th of April my challenge to the Vatican led NWO (articolo per il sito) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:02:27 +0100 (BST) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Full Headers Undecoded Letter Well Im gonna try no matter what dear Craig , we have great possibilities in oursellfs and we should use them otherquise we will simply perish and go down with everybody else in this mediocrity that realy kills me. I know the MK-Ultra Puppet Masters are gonna love this project in the US and try to even use me in their illuminati end of times game, possibly as their usual mind controlled slave for ultimate manipulation but Im ready for confrontation this time with my ex Puppet Masters dear Craig , and my project is truly bullet proof and also truly young and courageous , I have the best PSYOPS in the world, I think we can make it happen because I have been prepared since birth for this mission and I have a Divine right to fullfill it in one way or another and if America doesnt let me in NO PROBLEM I will go to the Russian Federation , there I have made a special deal in Feb. 2002 in Moscow and I will go and live there with my old friends the russian people , so if the USA truly wants me they have to be nice and kind to me and treat me with the maximum of respect otherquise Russia. Fraternaly yours , Leo Lyon Zagami --- email@example.com wrote: > Leo, > > I do not see how you can change from wanting > peaceful non violent > actions/words to now having militias and the talk > you give below. This > is where you get confusing and may look as if you're > sussing out our > mindframes in order to melt into the frying pan with > us. This seems > very quickly done. I also cannot understand why you > have become a > Christian again? Regardless of the Luciferian Craft > we know that > Christianity on all levels is far newer than the > ancient Irish Druidic > sex and celestrial heavens worship. I just don't > understand why enemies > of the Vatican go to Christianity in any form. Yes > it's an enemy of the > Vatican as we well know but it's a fraud also in > reality. I have no > time for Christianity, Muslim or any religion. By > the way if you have > access to The Book of Herbs which was part of the > Torah or Bible > whatever then let me know. According to the > greatest U.S healer, Dr > John Ray Christopher there was a book of herbs which > was suppressed from > us. Eric said there isn't but alas he follows > Reformation Bible and > Luther etc may have never had access to Herbs. > > Now as for Jack Hermes/Steve Hedges who's British SS > we'll he's a spy as > we know or was. So it would make sense that things > like beards would be > changed regular etc haha. So I'm not sure if that > one gets you quite > off the hook haha. I had to laugh seeing as I've > got your wife to > believe your Steve if you're not him. I told you I > may be small with a > small site but I seem to have a powerful axe with > anti-Vatican followers > haha. > > I do not live in the United "Corp" States, I almost > could of but I > believe when the shit hits the fan that the U.S will > suffer harder than > anywhere else. This will be to make sure those Guns > etc are removed and > that patriotic mindframe crumbled. I also believe > that British SIS in > control of the CIA have many of their own militias > spread around. I > believe their waiting for orders to start the 2010 > troubles which will > be blamed on food, virus or economic problems etc. > So I worry about > groups ready to go in case they are intelligentsia > controlled. Things > seem all too engineered for my liking. The movie > simply being played > out whilst some of us act within it without knowing > or being paid. Once > again the Vatican pulling the strings of even those > who may believe they > aren't. Everything is panning out as we've heard > with NWO and the > resistances to it. > > Tell me why you would be able to enter the U.S if > you're into this > militia stuff? I know of people who stuggle to get > in for doing > virtually nothing. Why are you allowed through no > problems. Why you > and not Barry Chamish unless he was married? This > is my concern. > > Now as for Greg I'm really pissed off with this guy > for claiming Im > Illuminati when infact I couldn't be further from > it. I'm interested in > some Illuminati Luciferian teachings but I'm not a > member of anything. > > I watched part of your recent video and did enjoy it > somewhat haha. I > would be interested as others would on information > linked to FBI5 and > DISC if you have agents who may speak on those two. > > I'm not bother by a one world government as long as > it was run by decent > people and we all had our own cultures to a certain > extent etc. I know > this can never happen though. I had this Blessed > Isles of Albion being > destroyed again. > > Thankyou > Craig Oxley > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:01:19 +0100 (BST), "leo > young" > <firstname.lastname@example.org> said: > > Dear Craig , > > your e-mail after all my recent tragedies is a > > refreshing start to this new day, we can finaly > > dialogue in peace as I never had anything against > you > > and you are definetely welcome to a more > professional > > and friendly approach in this field of research > with > > people like me or Greg who are at least trying > their > > best . I totaly understand your anger and your > > frustration at times dear Craig with these > Vatican > > led NWO cretins and their insane conspiracy to > rule > > the world , they are such fuckers I hate them most > of > > all for their hypocracy. I also must admit I look > like > > this British Agent you mentioned but we have a > quite > > different beard design that will make you notice > the > > difference , look again carefully on the beard > design > > Craig is completely different , but again I must > > admit that even my wife Fatma Suslu was thinking > > there was a striking similarity with Steve Hedge > and > > actualy defended you dear Craig in that occasion > when > > I said it was ridicoulose...I was laughing but I > > didnt like the pedophilia part as Im their number > one > > enemy as all my collaborators even in the > illuminati > > can tell you . > > You brought up nice memories by the way , we had > fun > > togheter me and my wife at such crazy accusations > > going trough the net at night and I could never > > immagine she will do what she did later with her > own > > terrible accusations against me , accusations > > obviously manipulated by her family and the > Fethullah > > Gulen Movement but Im still recovering from the > shock. > > Sorry Brother for bothering also you with that > but > > let's talk instead of the illuminati Resistance , > WHY > > YOU DONT BELIEVE IS POSSIBLE? > > I have: > > my own very professional Security > firm/corporation > > GREEN LYON KNIGHTS with ex marines , SWAT police > > officers and FBI agents (still in service ) > secretely > > connected to level 3 of the AS-HERMETIS > Strategical > > Institute founded by me in 2005 and about 12000 > armed > > men stationed around the USA militia camps waiting > for > > action and a possible Knighthood (Knights of the > > Apocalipse obviously ) > > So what's up with you Craig , want the action? > > This is the real deal come and join us at the anti > NWO > > revolution center my friend as Im ready and > totaly > > pissed off with the enemy once and for all . You > can > > find me in the next few months in Montana or in > > Colorado at times in Hollywood to make my > Propaganda > > stunts, but usualy I prefer the mountains and to > be > > close to my militia as this is our garanty of > liberty > > the blessing of the 2nd Ammendament. > > We have many infinite possibilities Craig , we > have > > many dangers but Im ready to die for true LIBERTY > and > > they have taken everything from me already. Liked > your > > esoteric take on my birthday the 5th of March can > you > === message truncated === ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ From: leo young <email@example.com> Subject: Fwd: My powerfull friends of Project LUCIFER in the Russian Federation waiting for me if I dont get into the USA Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:10:54 +0100 (BST) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Note: forwarded message attached. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ From: leo young <email@example.com> Subject: My powerfull friends of Project LUCIFER in the Russian Federation waiting for me if I dont get into the USA Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:10:19 +0100 (BST) To: fsb fsb <firstname.lastname@example.org> About my friends in Russia .'. Important you can find Illuminati Secret Chief Senator Sergei Gordeev of the Russian Federation in these photo's , Sergei is the main teacher of my secret alchemical circle in Moscow. In other photo's also Senior Officers of Russian military and civilian intelligence in Feb.2002 at the Bolshoi and other locations in Moscow during the secret operation Project LUCIFER . About my dear trusted friend and Brother from the GRUPPO DI UR in Moscow Sergey Gordeev: The man who may save Soviet architecture read http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/10/arts/arch.php ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! For Good helps you make a difference http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/
From: "magiske prosesser" <email@example.com> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : ABOUT THE FILING FOR SEPARATION IN MID NOVEMBER Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 22:56:36 +0100 To: leo young <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: "Troy" <email@example.com> Leo, you are referring to information from the Xiando Leo Zagami article. The information you now present contradicts what you stated in the partially transcribed conversation with Troy on April 30 (http://xiandos.info/Troy_interviews_Leo_Zagami_-_April_30%2C_2008#Who_has_backed_him_financially_in_his_recent_activities.3F) where you state: "But I mean, in Norway I was never struggling financially. I mean, I don't know were you heard this, I mean, did you hear this, or?" I find it impossible to deal with such apparently contradictory information coming from the same source during such a short timespan. Please advise! Halvor -- all communication to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: <withheld for web publication> On Fri, 9 May 2008 19:17:31 +0100 (BST) leo young <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: It has later become known that Fatma Suslu filed for divorce already in mid November. REASONS I know very well why Fatma went to file for separation in mid November, the real reason was that we were in such a desperate economic situation because of my struggle with my ex Brothers that Fatma decided to stage a fake separation with the Norwegian authorities only get some money she had no intention to leave me yet as you can ask her yourself dear Halvor. I know it's very sad that we ended up in such a difficult situation economicly because of my exposure work on the net but it was actualy no surprise for me to see she actualy went on in November with her original plan , as we were in a pretty desperate situation with my finances getting less and less each day after leaving the Monte Carlo Lodge. I told her at the time after talking with my lawyer that it was illegal to stage a separation for such reasons but she was so desperate she obviously went and filed for the separation in November so we could get the money and I cant blame her for this decision , Im actualy very sorry that we got to this point of desperation as the Order was making our lifes impossible in every way possible to obtain our final separation and ruining me financialy was another of their tecniques. So Fatma and I was still very much in love in November 2007. In truth, Leo Lyon Zagami __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
From: leo young <email@example.com> Subject: thank you for your work Brother we appreciate genuine researchers in Monaco Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:52:11 +0100 (BST) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Dear Halvor, thank you for your work , we appreciate what you are doing with your in detail research , may the truth and the light always prevail. Pax Pleromae Frater Superior Leo Lyon Zagami KTC ( not Kenthuky Fried Chicken but Knights Templar Comander) __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
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Return-Path: <email@example.com> Received: from bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com ([126.96.36.199] verified) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 109061126 for firstname.lastname@example.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:31:31 +0200 Received: from BAY139-W48 ([188.8.131.52]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: <BAY139-W4892FCF8DB113945A8F0C8E4F60@phx.gbl> Return-Path: email@example.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5569b189-5e77-4fe0-bc32-3c1d730299b6_" X-Originating-IP: [184.108.40.206] From: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com> To: "halvor (magiske prosesser)" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, troy <email@example.com> Subject: EMAILS TO FATMA SUSLU THAT RESULTED FROM HER COMMENTING ON MY BLOG POSTING RE- HER LEAVING LEO Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:31:30 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2008 02:31:30.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD946570:01C895FB] --_5569b189-5e77-4fe0-bc32-3c1d730299b6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Halvor, As you are aware, in the aftermath of Leo's announcing that his wife Fatma = Suslu, had left him & taken their birth-child with her, I posted a blog on = the matter on my blogpage at http://troyspace.wordpress.com=20 I then received some comments, which turned out to be from Fatma after I em= ailed enquiring about them. You will find the questions that I wished for h= er to answer in order to verify whether or not her claims that Leo was a wi= cked fantasist & his Illuminati Confessions a grand deceit had any substanc= e. She gave very brief responses that really shed no light on the matter un= fortunately. As this was the case & I was also requested not to repost her = emails to me then I will stick to my word on that matter. It is of no conse= quence to any further insight on the matter of Leo's authenticity as it sta= nds. I have just finished watching all of Project Camelot's interview with Leo. = I have had reservations about them in the past, due to them interviewing th= e likes of known C-I-A asset & charlatan Gordon Novel. My assessment on the= m now is that they had been duped into interviewing him, as I now believe t= hat they were more likely to be merely slightly naive when it came to count= erintelligence & diversionary disinfo agents.=20 Leo, contrasted with Novel, came across as thoroughly credible & studying h= is body language & naturalness & depth of his responses once again gave cre= dence to his claims. in truth & awareness - Troy
EXCERPT FROM EMAIL TO FATMA SUSLU, DATED MARCH 9 2008 (03:37), THAT RESULTED FROM HER COMMENTING ON MY BLOG POSTING REGARDING HER LEAVING LEO.
You say about Leo: 'Your conspiracies is nothing else then a great bunch of lies put excellently together'. Can you shed some more light on how this is the case? Photos of Leo with P2 Lodge luminarie, Ezio Giunchiglia, are more than the work of a fantasist. What is the story behind Leo's aquaintance with Giunchiglia?
Also, how is Leo's intimate knowledge of the far-reaching connections of Giorgio Hugo Balestriere to be explained?
This is taken from another blog of mine:
*GIORGIO HUGO BALESTRIERI (email: GBRotary@aol.com) - Commandante P2/ Comitato Esecutivo Massonica; GLADIO; Chairman Rotary Club @ the UN/ International Service Division (website: nyrotaryunitednations.blogspot.com); Director Rotary Club of New York;
[President, E-POL USA; specialist in "counter-terrorism"; former Navy Commander in Italian Navy, co-author of "Terrorism: Defensive Strategies for Individuals, Companies and Governments".
- "MSGI Security Solutions Announces Exclusive Partnership With the E-POL Group..."sev.prnewswire.com/computer-electronics/20050727/NYW05927072005-1.html].
This little-known P2 Lodge member, has some fingers in some serious pies.
Then there's the matter of Fethullah Gulen, his papal connections & calls for Jerusalem to be an international zone. There is no doubting the Vatican's designs on Jerusalem, as can be witnessed from very reputable sorces on my Papal Court Zionists section. How do you reconcile that?
If what you say is true, then I have no desire to be the cause of any more pain for you. I need to have a fairly thorogh account of your version of the past four years & how your version of the history of both of your families differs from Leo.His parents & grandparents clearly existed & were who he says they were: his grandfather being Leopoldo Zagami, the Italian senator of the '50's & '60's, etc. How far do you say Leo's story is false?
You may not wish to reply, but as Leo's account is so detailed & consistent & you yourself vouched for his authenticity on the radio shows a little over a year ago, that it's hard to see that Leo's 'conspiracies is nothing else then a great bunch of lies put excellently together'. Where does the truth end & the lies begin? There are many other specific issues where Leo's story is supported by some very hard-to-find, but nevertheless existant facts, but I figure that I'll have to trstrict them to the ones referred to above for now.
EMAIL TO FATMA SUSLU, DATED MARCH 9 2008 (18:13, THAT RESULTED FROM HER COMMENTING ON MY BLOG POSTING REGARDING HER LEAVING LEO.
Thank you for replying. There are a number of particular issues that I feel need to be addressed, taking into consideration your point of view, if anyone not immediately involved is to make an appraisal of the situation. This may be none of my business, or you might not feel like communicating at the moment, but I would appreciate knowing your thoughts on the following points (if you can even be bothered replying to any of this, then perhaps you could reply beneath each one in in 'bold' highlit text?):
- Are you saying that Leo's knowledge on the Vatican & the Jesuits was all based on books & internet reading? This is the point that I would like you to be as clear as you can be on, as the whole current internet attack on Leo is based on the belief that he is a Jesuit adjutor (helper) or some other kind of unspecified Vatican agent. I personally have taken much flack for saying that I don't believe that he is, but am prepared to concede that I am wrong if that is what my research reveals to me.
- If on the other hand, Leo is some kind of agent, working for someone to discredit certain parties, then the possibility crosses my mind that either:
- he is working for the Vatican or Jesuits, to infiltrate & discredit the whole research movement looking into them, that is gaining much ground, in my opinion, at the moment.
- there are tensions within the secret societies, say Opus Dei & the Jesuits or the Vatican & one or some of the branches of Masonry or the other secret societies & he is involved with this. I must admit that on reflection I think this possibility is unlikely.
- the other possibility - if he is an agent - is that he is working for an intelligence agency, Norwegian or Italian, possibly British, that intended his fall from grace all along - possibly through mind-control programming him = - to infiltrate & discredit the Jesuit/Vatican/Knights of Malta expose researchers.
- The photo that Leo recently distributed of himself with Fr Thomas Michel, SJ - a Jesuit - supposedly taken last summer (2007), is the reason that Leo is accused of being a Jesuit asset. Can you confirm or deny this? This one point is crucial to determining who Leo really is, in my opinion.
- It seems almost inconceivable that if Leo isn't genuine in his story, that he isn't working for some intelligence agency or other. There is NOBODY else out there who has presented such a wide-ranging, indepth account of the secret societies & has named as many obscure names in contemporary circles - particularly Italian & British Masonists & Occultists - & drawn such a plausible & coherent, albeit intricate, working scheme of it all. From Lord/Earl Elgin (Leo states that he is the head of the Scottish Rite Masons), that Leo mentioned meeting at the Canonbury Research Lodge in London, I think - to the likes of Julian Reese & Lord Northampton who Leo says are - via their Cornerstone Society & the United Grand Lodge of England - the interface between the Vatican & British Masonry, as are 50 other Vatican-loyal UGLE Masons, according to Leo.
Do you maintain that this is all a fabrication? Internet 'fame' or any other kind, with little apparent financial remuneration doesn't explain it for me, nor does any suggestion of him merely wanting to triumph in some mindgame of 'one-upmanship'. He would have to be getting paid, in my opinion, whether you are seeing any of that money or not.
- Are you involved with the Gulen Movement & are your family of the bloodline of the Muslim prophet Muhammed?
- Is Leo's name Leo Lyon Zagami, Leo Young Zagami or just Leo Young? He says that his mother is Jessica Lyon Young, his Masonic/Secret Society certificates say Leo Young Zagami, his email says Leo Young & he goes by Leo Lyon Zagami on his website & interviews.
- Are Leo's much-touted Masonic certificates for the Memphis & Misraim Masonic rites, the Ordo Templi Orientis & the Fraternitas Rosicruciana Antiqua, signed - apparently - by Nicholaj Frisvold in Oslo in 2001 & 2002, real or fake? I understand that the United Grand Lodge of England doesn't deny that he was a member, even if only briefly. Do you know anything about his involvement with Rui Gabirro, who is also accused of being nothing more than a charlatan, although Leo says that he is an Illuminati Mason.
- What is your take on Leo's statements about there being an Illuminati secret society network being led by European Catholic - & some nominally Protestant, but still Vatican-loyal - royalty & aristocracy? How much personal knowledge would Leo have of this, as opposed to merely reinforcing & elaborating upon claims made by other authors? Does Leo have any personal - i.e. not merely book or internet aquired - knowledge, that you are aware of, concerning a New World Order agenda to create global totalitarian state?
- Did Leo ever spend any considerable time in Monte Carlo, which Leo claims is the base to a still-extant & more influential than ever P2 Illuminati Masonic Lodge. Leo's other statements are that this is the overseeing body for what he calls the umbrella of the secret society network, the Ordo Illuminatorum Universalis & another organisation called Universal Unity, that he says is concerned with bringing in the new world religion. Any clarification about Monte Carlo the P2 lodge would be helpful. Were these photos of Ezio Giunchiglia, long-time P2 2 & treasurer, who Leo states is the new P2 Grand Master, taken in Monte Carlo or elsewhere? How did Leo even get close to Giunchiglia? or to Giorgio Hugo Balestrieri, as you have stated?
- What was the true nature of Leo's recent trip to Rome at the time of the election of the new Jesuit Superior-General? The timing of which has also been considered by some to be suspect.
- How did Leo get on Greg Szymanski's show in the first place? What, in your opinion, is Greg's place in all of this? As Greg has also come under fire, this is important, I feel.
- Did Leo discuss with you the planning of this game, if that is what it was? If so, didn't you think that it wasn't a safe environment bringing up your offspring around an individual that you make it clear that you now consider to be a grand fantasist & delusionary liar?
I may be asking a lot, but if you could be as thorough as possible & answer each of my points, then it would be much appreciated by myself & I am sure everyone else who has spent any significant time considering Leo's claims.
Hoping that you & your son (who, I'm guessing, if he is 8, then he isn't Leo's son by birth?) & other children - if any - are safe, regardless of the circumstances -
In faith, truth & awareness -
P.S. Photos of most of the relevant documents & persons are posted at the following URL's, & some others are at my WordPress blogpage, under the 'Leo Zagami' section:
P.P.S.: How did you find my blogpage? Just curious.
EXCERPT FROM EMAIL TO FATMA SUSLU, DATED MARCH 10 2008, THAT RESULTED FROM HER COMMENTING ON MY BLOG POSTING REGARDING HER LEAVING LEO.
I am willing to post your responses to my questions below on my blog & mailing list of Vatican-Jesuit expose researchers. These questions are ones that most people who have seriously given consideration to Leo's interviews & articles will be asking themselves & each other for a while, as Leo's story is most unusual due to his claimed insider status, facility to provide indepth, if sometimes rambling answers to questions that would blow many a fakes cover long before now & the comprehensiveness, consistancy & ability to bring forth the most obscure names & connections relatively effortlessly. Many serious researchers can not give credence to the fact that he is merely a deluded fantasist operating alone with no other agenda than fleeting internet fame.
I understand that for a variety of reasons, such as time, energy & inclination, you may not feel like responding to these quite detailed questions, but I would suggest that it is in everyone's interest to get your side to these matters out in the open, so that people can make up their own mind regarding Leo's claims vs your own. This would at least provide more informed & balanced speculation, rather than what's turning up on many internet forums out there.
If you do decide to reply to my questions from my previous email (reprinted below), then I would suggest being as factual, to the point & objective as circumstances allow.
Hopefully you will be able to shed some light here.
EXCERPT FROM EMAIL TO FATMA SUSLU, DATED MARCH 11 2008, THAT RESULTED FROM HER COMMENTING ON MY BLOG POSTING REGARDING HER LEAVING LEO.
Leo had been on my Vatican/Jesuit research list as he posted me his new Jesuit/Vatican expose emails too, I think that he added me as Eric Phelps used to repost my stuff & he'd seen that & probably liked the research that I did. So I added him in turn. I gave him much credence as so much of his info turned out to be revelatory, particularly stuff such as Giorgio Hugo Balestrieri's far reaching connections. Fatma, it's quite clear that Balestrieri is not just some peace & humanitarian U.N. Rotarian, with his E-Pol & MSGI Security Solutions interests. As a proven Captain of the P2 terrorist lodge in the 1981 lists discovered at Villa Wanda, this is serious information. The chances of anyone putting it together without inside info is negligible. Even if you don't know it, I would suggest that Leo is getting some serious inside info from somewhere & that stuff like that is information that should be on Balestrieri's resume on the N.Y. & U.N. Rotary Club's websites & blogpages. I also think it unlikely that Licio Gelli & Ezio Giunchiglia just went off for the quiet life after the P2 was banned from Italy. Why wouldn't they set up operations from Monaco instead? Leo is not the only evidence for this, whether he has had close contacts with them or not. All in all, this leaves a lot of unanswered issues that I feel need addressing.
What I was suggesting was that if you could find the time & energy, then it would be beneficial for all concerned if you could address my questions that I sent in the other email. I would post this next to the other one on my blog & onto my Vatican/Jesuit expose research email list, which has only a handful or so names on it. I'm about the only one that had stuck up for Leo when Craig Oxley & Thomas Richards attacked him for being still Illuminati, a Jesuit asset & /or an intelligence agent.
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Return-Path: <> Subject: Undeliverable mail: Ditt tilbud til meg, formidling av =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sp=F8rsm=E5l?= From: <MAILER-DAEMON@mail.organizer.net> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:10:22 +0200 Message-ID: <email@example.com> X-MAPI-Message-Class: REPORT.IPM.Note.NDR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type="delivery-status"; boundary="_===111584494====mail.organizer.net===_" --_===111584494====mail.organizer.net===_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Failed to deliver to 'firstname.lastname@example.org' SMTP module(domain yahoo.no) reports: connection with d.mx.mail.yahoo.com is broken --_===111584494====mail.organizer.net===_ Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.organizer.net Original-Recipient: rfc822;<email@example.com> Final-Recipient: rfc822;<firstname.lastname@example.org> Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 --_===111584494====mail.organizer.net===_ Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Received: from [220.127.116.11] (account email@example.com) by mail.organizer.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.10) with HTTP id 111119558 for firstname.lastname@example.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04:00 +0200 From: "magiske prosesser" <email@example.com> Subject: Ditt tilbud til meg, formidling av =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sp=F8rsm=E5l?= To: Fatma Suslu <firstname.lastname@example.org> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:04:00 +0100 Message-ID: <email@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --_===111584494====mail.organizer.net===_-- From: "magiske prosesser" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Ditt tilbud til meg, formidling av =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sp=F8rsm=E5l?= To: Fatma Suslu <email@example.com> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.10 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:04:00 +0100 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hei Fatma, i eposten du sendte meg skrev du at du ville ta meg med til politiet for å la meg få lese SMS-meldingene Leo har sendt til deg. Det har gått over en måned siden jeg ytret ønsket om å bli med deg uten at jeg har hørt fra deg. Jeg vil med det samme formidle en del spørsmål fra Troy som driver bloggen Troy Space. Disse skal han allerede ha sendt til deg som en oppfølging av dine kommentarer til en bloggside han skrev i begynnelsen av mars. Jeg har offentliggjort spørsmålene på http://nb.xiandos.info/Brukerdiskusjon:Meco/aktuell_korrespondanse samt lenket til denne siden fra artikkelen om deg. Det er ønskelig at du følger opp disse to sakene, men det står deg naturligvis fritt, ihvertfall herfra, om du velger å gjøre det. Vekst og kjærlighet! Halvor -- all communication to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: <removed from web>
[rediger] Finn Bjørklid
From: Meco <email@example.com> Subject: Kopi av din beskjed til Finn Bjørklid: E-post fra Wikipedia Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:04:33 GMT To: Meco <firstname.lastname@example.org> Hei Finn, Artikkelen du har opprettet, "Ennead", skal hete "Enneaden". Den røde lenken til "Ogdoad" skal gå til "Ogdoaden", en artikkel jeg opprettet i sin tid. Vennlig hilsen, Halvor -- all communication to and from this person will be subject to public availability public password: <removed from web>
From: fsb fsb <email@example.com> Subject: RE: to Brother Halvor from K Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:50:34 +0000 To: magiske prosesser <firstname.lastname@example.org>
As my mother is a durrani from birth i to am blue blooded from her side !
i was born into the iluminati dear brother Halvor , this is why my family is also regarded very higly in both Pakistan and Afghanistan
My mothers name is Tanveer sultana durrani just so you know !
you can read about my family tree and history at this link brother halvor
here is some information for you
Nader Shah favored Abdali due to his young and handsome features. Abdali was then given the title of “Dur-i-Durran” (Pear of Pearls) by Nader Shah and thus Ahmad Khan changed the Abdali tribe's name to the Durrani tribe.
The King of high rank, Ahmad Shah Durrani, Was equal to Kisra in managing the affairs of his government. In his time, from the awe of his glory and greatness, The lioness nourished the stag with her milk. From all sides in the ear of his enemies there arrived A thousand reproofs from the tongue of his dagger. The date of his departure for the house of mortality Was the year of the Hijra 1186 (1772 A.D.)
Wrote Mountstuart Elphinstone of Ahmad Shah:
His military courage and activity are spoken of with admiration, both by his own subjects and the nations with whom he was engaged, either in wars or alliances. He seems to have been naturally disposed to mildness and clemency and though it is impossible to acquire sovereign power and perhaps, in Asia, to maintain it, without crimes; yet the memory of no eastern prince is stained with fewer acts of cruelty and injustice.
President of the Committee of Hope (Oslo) 33rd degree > >(MEC) > From: email@example.com > Subject: Re: to Brother Halvor from > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > CC: email@example.com > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:49:39 +0100 > > Hi K, > > I'm a little unsure what you are requesting. Do you want > removed an existing section of the Khakan Khan article on > Xiando, specifically the one with the headline "Varsler > også tidligere", corresponding to "Whistleblower on > previous occasions" in the English language version? > > Halvor > > -- > all communication to and from this person will be subject > to public availability > > public password: (password withheld for web publishing) > > On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:44:46 +0000 > fsb fsb <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > > brother leo will agree to this ! > > Hello halvor can you please take out this section to > >this is irrelevant to the cause of the iluminati !!!! > > > > President of the Committee of Hope (Oslo) 33rd degree > >(MEC) > > > > I and master Leo will give you more information to fill > >out soon > > > > K > > > > > > Varsler også tidligere > > Høsten 2005 markerte Khan seg også som varsler > >vedrørende arbeidsforholdene på sin arbeidsplass, > >attføringsbedriften Krapfoss Industrier (KIAS), da en > >brukerundersøkelse han hadde tatt initiativ til blant de > >ansatte ble beslaglagt av ledelsen. "Jeg har vært her i > >fem uker, og til nå har jeg ikke hatt en eneste > >arbeidsoppgave. Det eneste jeg gjør, er å surfe på > >nettet. Jeg ble henvist hit av Aetat. Det virker som om > >de er fornøyd med bare å sende folk hit. Hvilke tilbud > >som gis, er tydeligvis mindre viktig. Bedriften får jo > >økonomisk støtte uansett. Det kan virker som de kun er > >interessert i billig arbeidskraft, uttalte Kahn da til > >Moss Avis. Bedriften stilte seg uforstående og avvisende > >til Khans versjon den gang, men Khaqan Khan opplyste at > >han hadde sendt et langt brev til arbeidsminister Bjarne > >Håkon Hanssen om saken. > > Tidligere i 2005 sto Khan, sammen med en annen > >lokalpolitiker fra Moss, Berit Håland, fram i Moss > >Dagblad med sterk kritikk av AETAT for dårlig tilbud og > >oppfølging. Khaqan Khan opplyste da til avisen at han de > >siste 3-4 årene hadde søkt på over 600 jobber uten å få > >napp. "Hos Aetat blir jeg satt på praksisplass etter > >praksisplass. Jeg har hatt ti forskjellige saksbehandlere > >og blir bare kjørt rundt og rundt i systemet deres", > >uttalte han til avisa. > > > > > >> From: email@example.com> Subject: Re: to Brother > >>Halvor> To: firstname.lastname@example.org> CC: > >>email@example.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:37:39 > >>+0100> > Dear Leo (and Khaqan Khan),> > I had misread the > >>email which I posted on Xiando (reading > a 'now' as a > >>'not' and generally not reading the whole > thing too > >>closely). The error has been corrected now and > the page > >>histories also reflect that this was an error.> > Growth > >>and love!> > Halvor> > --> all communication to and from > >>this person will be subject > to public availability> > > >>public password: (password withheld for web publishing)> > > On Mon, 19 May 2008 > >>01:43:18 +0100 (BST)> leo young <firstname.lastname@example.org> > >>wrote:> >From: "fsb fsb" <email@example.com>> > To: "leo > >>young" <firstname.lastname@example.org>> > Subject: RE: Brother > >>Khaqan Khan nominated today> > president of the Committee > >>of Hope (Oslo)> > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:41:14 +0000> > >>> listen lord zagami > > > > the last email of what was > >>posted on to xiandos that> > about me > > please delete > >>that will you that i was outed from you> > the about the > >>info , > > this makes us look bad that we dont trust eech > >>other> > you se .> > > > we are the iluminati and we will > >>bring chaos to it all> > > > > > if all goes good then > >>chaos will soon come dear grand> > master !> > > > the > >>plans have already been sett up , just do your> > thing > >>.> > > >> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:08:38 +0100> >> From: > >>email@example.com> >> Subject: RE: Brother Khaqan > >>Khan nominated today> > president of the Committee of > >>Hope (Oslo)> >> To: firstname.lastname@example.org> >> > >> Good Bro > >>you know Im a professional in the> >> intelligence game > >>so dont worry about things. US> >> Military intelligence > >>will sort out the demented PST> >> and Norway soon, sorry > >>cant call you today but Im> >> busy in Kansas City at the > >>moment with some> > important> >> meetings.> >> S&F> >> > >>Leo Lyon Zagami (MEC)> >> > > > > > > > >>__________________________________________________________> > >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail.> > A Smarter Email > >>http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Lei av å vente på svar? Si det direkte med Windows Live > >Messenger. > > http://get.live.com/nb-no/messenger/overview >
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[rediger] Hans Gaarder
- Ubesvart epost til Hans Gaarder
From: "magiske prosesser" <email@example.com> Subject: Vedr. Leo Zagami, Committee of Hope i Oslo og Khaqan Khan Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:02:35 +0100 To: Hans Gaarder <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: "leo young" <email@example.com>
jeg leste nettopp artikkelen du har skrevet om Leo Zagami. Jeg vet ikke om du er kjent med at det på Xiandos.info befinner seg et nokså omfattende materiale omkring Leo Zagamis bakgrunn og aktiviteter. Dette er stoff jeg har jobbet med å samle og presentere siden et drøyt år tilbake i tid.
En del detaljer du har i din artikkel, blant annet detaljer omkring tvangsinnleggelsene Leo Zagami har blitt utsatt for er nytt for mine øyne, og jeg vil gjerne integrere dette i eksisterende norske og engelske artikler på Xiandos. Imidlertid vil jeg gjerne vite litt mer om kilden til disse detaljene. Jeg gjetter på at du er medlem av Committee of Hope i Oslo og at dette kommer direkte fra Leo Zagami selv, men jeg vil gjerne høre fra deg hva som er kilden til opplysningene du gjengir i artikkelen,
Videre, dersom det er riktig at du er medlem av Committee of Hope i Oslo, så regner jeg med at du også er kjent med hvem Khaqan Khan er (han har også artikler om seg på Xiandos). I så fall, tror du at du ville ha interesse av å motta kopier av epost-meldinger som sirkulerer mellom meg, Leo Zagami, Khan, samt to Zagami-forskere, Troy som skriver Troy Space-bloggen og Philip Jonkers. Khaqan Khan ser nemlig ut til å komme med en del svært underlige utspill for tiden, blant annet at hans misjon som Leo Zagamis undersått er å spre kaos, at han elsker død og dreping og i sin siste epost til Leo Zagami skriver han at nå er tiden inne til å begynne med henrettelser. Jeg har vanskelig for å tro at slik retorikk er på linje med hva Committe of Hope samtalte omkring mens Leo ennå var i Norge.
Med vennlig hilsen,
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